How Much Are Bar Fines in Pattaya?
Published: September 12, 2021 - Reading time: 6 minutes
» Updated: October 16, 2024
If you’re planning to take a lady from a bar in Pattaya and spend time with her, you’ll need to pay a fee known as a “bar fine” to the establishment where she works.
In Pattaya, standard beer bars typically charge between 500 THB and 1,500 THB for bar fines. Beer bars in quieter, non-tourist areas may charge as little as 300 THB. Go-go bars, on the other hand, tend to be more expensive, with bar fines ranging from 1,500 to 2,500+ THB, especially for popular ladies in high-end venues.
The cost of a bar fine varies depending on the type of establishment and sometimes the time of night (for instance, some bars reduce their bar fines after midnight). Go-go bars almost always charge more than beer bars.
What are bar fines?
Bar fines are payments made to the bar, allowing a customer to take a staff member with them. The lady in question typically receives a portion of this fee (usually around one-third). The bar fine itself does not cover any compensation for the lady; you’ll need to agree on a separate payment with her directly.
These fines also provide a certain level of ‘protection’ for customers, as the lady can be traced back to the bar if any issues arise, such as theft or misconduct. Knowing that they are accountable, most ladies will avoid any inappropriate behaviour.
Are bar fines negotiable?
Generally, bar fines are not negotiable. You’ll be expected to pay whatever amount the bar’s mamasan or cashier asks for. However, if you plan to pay a bar fine for multiple days or weeks, some bars may offer a discount—though this is entirely at their discretion. Not all bars provide ‘bulk discounts,’ especially if the lady is popular or the bar is short-staffed.
When paying bar fines for extended periods, the bigger concern often isn’t the cost but the potential of becoming emotionally involved. Many men fall for the ladies and become entangled in a ‘bar girl scam,’ where the lady continues to work at the bar despite supposedly being in a relationship with a previous customer.
Why do bars charge bar fines?
When a lady leaves the bar with a customer, she’s no longer attracting patrons or having drinks purchased for her. With one less staff member, the bar loses revenue. Bar fines are essentially compensation for this loss.
Falling in love with a Pattaya bar girl
Every year, thousands of foreign men visit Pattaya and fall in love with bar girls. If you spend significant time with one particular lady, you may find yourself in a similar situation.
Although some relationships between bar girls and foreigners work out, these are rare. For every success story, there are numerous cautionary tales.
Men who fall for bar girls often say, “She’s different!” or “She’s not like the others!”. When emotions take over, it’s easy to lose perspective.
Whether she works in a beer bar, go-go bar, gentleman’s club, or massage parlour, bar girls are typically in these jobs to support themselves and their families. Many have children from previous relationships and also need to care for their parents. The minimum wage in Thailand is quite low, often insufficient to support a family.
Without a university degree, it’s difficult to find a well-paying job in Thailand, leading many women to bar work to earn enough money. If you enter a relationship with a bar girl, you may need to send money regularly to support her and her family, which can lead to issues.
Stories of “bar girl scams” in Pattaya are common. Many men fall in love with these ladies and send them money, believing the lady will stop working or has returned to her family village. In reality, many bar girls continue to accept bar fines and leave with customers while still receiving financial support from a foreign boyfriend.
A common scam involves a lady maintaining multiple relationships with different foreign men, each thinking they’re the only one. This can allow some bar girls to earn substantial amounts of money.
You might be reading this and thinking, “That could never happen to me” or “She’s really different”… but this mindset is what leads many men to fall victim to bar girl scams. In reality, most bar girls are quite similar in their motivations.
If you do find yourself in a relationship with a bar girl and want to know if she’s truly loyal, we can help uncover the truth.
We often conduct investigations into bar girls working in Pattaya to verify their loyalty to their foreign boyfriends. Most are not faithful and continue to leave with customers while their boyfriends are abroad. These investigations can save clients significant amounts of money, as well as emotional pain and heartache.
Learn more about bar girl investigations.
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How Much Does It Cost to Support a Thai Girlfriend?
Published: November 30, 2020 - Reading time: 5 minutes
» Updated: October 16, 2024
Wondering how much it costs to support a Thai girlfriend? The answer varies depending on her lifestyle and financial needs. Financial support for a Thai girlfriend can range from 10,000 – 50,000 THB per month, with some men sending even more. According to a survey conducted by Kasikorn Research Centre, Thai household debt in 2023 was at an all-time high, affecting many Thai families and influencing the amount of financial assistance some girlfriends request.
What it costs to help your girlfriend depends on her specific circumstances. Many Thai women hold university degrees and have careers, making them self-sufficient. However, if your girlfriend works in a beer bar, go-go club, or other entertainment venues, there's a chance she may continue seeing clients while receiving money from you. It's vital to be aware of the "Thai girlfriend scam," a common pitfall where women have multiple foreign boyfriends sending them money.
Understanding Her Lifestyle
If your Thai girlfriend lives a high-end lifestyle, rent for a decent property can easily exceed 10,000 – 50,000 THB per month, which will add to the amount she may ask for. Meanwhile, those working lower-wage jobs might require less support, but even small amounts can significantly improve their living conditions in Thailand.
Investing in Her Future
Instead of merely supplementing a low-wage salary, consider helping her invest in her future. Whether through higher education or starting a business, the costs in Thailand are often much lower than in Western countries. For example, you could help her attend university, where tuition fees are affordable compared to the West, or start a small business with a modest investment.
Building a house on her land could cost around 1,000,000 THB, far less than in many other countries. By investing in her future, you could improve her financial stability and create a more sustainable partnership.
Debt and Financial Transparency
Debt is a major concern in Thailand. According to the Bank of Thailand, household debt was around 90% of the GDP in 2022, with many Thai women affected. It’s essential to ask about her financial state early in the relationship, as "saving face" is an important cultural value in Thailand. Your girlfriend may be reluctant to admit if she’s in debt, or if her family is facing financial difficulties, until you’ve been in the relationship for some time.
Does She Have Children?
Many Thai women working in tourist hotspots like Bangkok or Pattaya have children from previous relationships. Thai culture around child support is different from Western norms, and it’s not uncommon for Thai fathers to avoid paying support, leaving the mother to handle everything. As a result, many women work in bars or similar establishments to provide for their children and parents.
Is She Honest With You?
If you’re sending money to your Thai girlfriend, it's crucial to ensure she’s not seeing other men. The "Thai girlfriend scam" often involves multiple foreign men unknowingly supporting the same woman, who might be dishonest about her personal life. Unfortunately, this type of romance scam is widespread in areas like Pattaya, where women seek financial support from tourists. Catching a professional scammer is difficult without proper help.
Meet Her Family
To assess the seriousness of your relationship, meeting her family is a key step. Thai women are expected to support their parents, and once you’re in a committed relationship, that responsibility often extends to you. Meeting her parents also shows that you’re serious about the relationship and helps establish transparency.
Need Help Investigating?
If you're unsure whether your Thai girlfriend is being honest, we can help. Our agents work across Thailand to provide background checks and ensure that your relationship is built on trust. Get in touch for a free, no-obligation quote.
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Thai Girlfriend with Multiple Facebook Profiles
Published: July 3, 2019 - Reading time: 5 minutes
» Updated: October 17, 2024
Does your Thai girlfriend have multiple Facebook profiles? If so, this could be a cause for concern, especially if she's involved in romance scams. Our team at Pattaya Private Investigators (PPI) frequently handles cases involving social media infidelity, and multiple profiles can be a red flag.
Why Do Thai Women Have Multiple Facebook Pages?
Many Thai women involved in romance scams maintain multiple Facebook profiles. A common tactic for scammers is to juggle multiple boyfriends, often from different countries, while appearing "in a relationship" with each one on different accounts. This is a tactic used by bar girls and women in the Thai entertainment industry, but it can also apply to women in seemingly respectable jobs. A study by AARP found that romance scams are the most common type of online fraud, costing victims $304 million in 2020.
Scammers often create multiple Facebook profiles to maintain relationships with several men at once, customising each account to cater to different audiences. This allows them to hide existing relationships from potential new partners while maintaining the illusion of exclusivity. As social media becomes more intertwined with daily life, it's important to recognise the warning signs of deception.
Finding Her Hidden Facebook Accounts
Uncovering hidden social media accounts isn't easy. Women involved in romance scams often block their primary boyfriend's account from viewing these secret profiles, making it almost impossible to find them by searching normally. Even with hours of searching, you are unlikely to discover them on your own.
At PPI, we specialise in social media background checks and open-source intelligence (OSINT) investigations. We use advanced techniques to uncover hidden digital footprints, often discovering multiple secret profiles tied to the same individual. However, it is important to note that while we’ve successfully found secret Facebook accounts in the past, we cannot guarantee a 100% success rate due to the complexity of these scams.
The Thai Girl Romance Scam
Romance scams in Thailand often involve Thai women managing multiple online relationships. Men often show off their new Thai girlfriend on social media, filling their profiles with photos and setting their relationship status to "in a relationship." This can create a psychological effect that strengthens the man’s emotional bond with his girlfriend, making him more likely to send money or gifts.
In reality, many of these women maintain several profiles, each showing them "in a relationship" with different men, all while continuing to date or receive financial support from multiple foreign boyfriends. The goal for the scammer is to accumulate as many boyfriends—and as much financial support—as possible. In some cases, we’ve seen women receiving money from as many as 4 or 5 boyfriends at the same time, using the funds to buy homes, cars, or even luxury items.
Protect Yourself from the Thai Girlfriend Scam
If you suspect your Thai girlfriend is scamming you, it’s important to act quickly. At PPI, we offer a range of investigative services designed to uncover the truth. We provide background checks to verify your partner's claims, personal surveillance to monitor her activities, and even decoy services to test her loyalty.
Our background checks include social media investigations, which can reveal hidden profiles, dating accounts, and any suspicious online activity. We’ve seen social media used as a tool in many cases of infidelity, and we use our expertise in OSINT to track down digital evidence.
For more information on our services, visit our background check page, or contact us for a free, no-obligation quote. Don't let a scam destroy your peace of mind—let us help you get to the truth.
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The Thai girl pregnancy scam
Published: April 28, 2019 - Reading time: 12 minutes
» Updated: June 17, 2024
The Thai girl pregnancy scam is one of the more sinister scams that can occur in Thailand. Put simply, it works by spinning a web of deceit and playing on your emotions. If you are spending time with women in Pattaya, Bangkok, Phuket, or any touristy areas of Thailand, then you may find yourself falling victim to the Thai girl pregnancy scam.
When reading this article, you will probably think to yourself “this could never happen to me”. Since we first published this article, we know that it has been read by unfortunate guys who did find themselves falling victim to this trick, and they also thought that it could never happen to them when reading the article.
How does the pregnancy scam work?
How does the pregnancy scam work? It is really quite simple. You’re spending some romantic time with a Thai bar girl, dancer, or even a ‘non-working’ girl that you met while in Thailand. Maybe the condom breaks or you didn’t use one. You head off back home and think nothing more of it until you get a message which reads "My period is late... I think I’m pregnant".
From here the story can take many different paths. If the man believes that he has made a Thai woman pregnant, he might fly back to Thailand to spend more time with her. He may start to reconsider his relationship with the woman and start to make long term plans to live with her in Thailand, or to get her (and the baby) a passport/visa for his home country. He may consider sending the lady money to start up some form of business, or prepare/furnish her home for a new-born baby.
Most guys will have no problem sending money for check-ups in a private clinic or hospital.
Whether or not he discovers that she is not truly pregnant before he makes long term commitments to the woman will depend. In some cases, if a guy makes big financial commitments to a Thai woman, and she is able to take a good amount of money from him, then that will leave her better off even if the relationship abruptly ends when he discovers that she is not actually pregnant.
Of course, many guys will not end a relationship when they discover that the lady was not truly pregnant. She may claim to have miscarried and present herself in floods of tears – most foreign guys will not walk away from a woman that appears highly upset, crying, and claiming to have lost his baby.
In other cases the lady might try to become pregnant while her boyfriend believes that she already is. If the lady cannot get pregnant, or doesn’t want to get pregnant, then she might use friends, or corrupt medical staff, to create the illusion that she is truly pregnant. Cases which run on for several months tend to include details which make it seem extremely convincing that a woman is pregnant while she is not. For example, a lady might visit the hospital many times and take photos of herself there, but she was in the hospital visiting friends or just passing by it. She might pay a clinician to speak with her boyfriend in English about the fake pregnancy, which is usually very convincing.
Fake pregnancy tests in Thailand
Fake pregnancy tests can be purchased all-over the world, and this is also true in Thailand. Fake pregnancy tests are cheap and readily available; sometimes tests with positive indications are sold online or behind the counter in stores. Other times women that are actually pregnant will make money by selling pregnancy tests which show a positive indication. A lady that is expecting a baby can help to provide any style of pregnancy test with the result "positive". She might provide multiple different positive pregnancy tests made by different manufacturers to make an even more convincing story.
Seeing a photo of a positive pregnancy test can help men to fall for the Thai girlfriend pregnancy scam hook line and sinker. We have even seen examples where Thai ladies have used photos of positive pregnancy tests that were found to have been downloaded from Google!
Why would a Thai girl lie about being pregnant?
Why would a Thai girl lie about being pregnant? Well, any man with a conscience is much less likely to walk away from a woman that could be carrying his child. The lady might demand money to pay for an abortion; but more often they will use the claim of being pregnant to lure the man back to Thailand, or to extract more money from him so that she can stop working around alcohol while pregnant. Perhaps the lady is deep in debt and feels that she can earn extra cash by convincing her boyfriend that she is pregnant. Maybe she does need money for medical treatment or to build a house… There could be thousands of different reasons that would drive a woman into making a false claim of pregnancy.
Whatever the motive behind this scam, the same principle applies each time. It is a form of emotional blackmail which gives the Thai woman a sense of security that the man will not walk away from her. And it usually causes her boyfriend to do things which he would not otherwise do if he did not believe that she was pregnant. How each man reacts to the belief that their Thai girlfriend is pregnant will of course vary in each case.
Often ladies involved with this type of scam will have used it on many different men over a number of years. Over time they can hone their abilities and make their claims seem very believable. They learn exactly the things to say which makes their lies to seem convincing, and they learn the best methods to extract money from their boyfriends.
Ladies that are involved with this scam typically understand enough about Western men to know what drives them and how they think. Trying to outsmart a professional fraudster using the information contained in this article will be extremely difficult in most cases. This makes our work during Thai lady investigations all the more vital to the wellbeing of our clients.
Pregnancy in Thailand
Pregnancy is a big deal in Thailand. Unlike in Europe or North America there is very little government welfare available, if you can’t afford to feed and clothe your baby there are few safety nets. With this being the case, it would be unwise for a Thai woman to fall pregnant with a man she barely knows.
If your Thai girlfriend is from a poor family (typically from rural farming areas in Isan), then supporting a child without help from the father, or any other means of income, will prove very hard indeed. Many of the ladies working in bars and nightlife areas are in fact there to support their parents and any children from previous relationships. Surviving on Thai minimum wage, and supporting a family of people, can be very hard in many cases.
Because there is no real safety net in the form of government aid, getting pregnant and having enough money to raise a child is a big deal. The cost to buy things like baby formula and diapers in Thailand is comparable to the prices in Western countries, and raising a baby does take a lot of money.
Child support in Thailand
In Thailand, a man can only be held liable for child support if he was legally married to the baby’s mother at the time of birth. Otherwise, a court would need to rule that the man is indeed the father of the child. He could then be held liable for child support.
Child support is fairly uncommon in Thailand, and while many Thai people will have lavish wedding ceremonies, they do not always legally marry each other, which can hinder claims for child support. Thai women usually do not pursue child support against the father of their children after the relationship has ended… Of course, there are exceptions to this, but the attitude of many Thai women is not to seek out money from their partner after a relationship has ended.
This is one of the reasons which mean that Thai women usually will not get pregnant as thoughtlessly as some ladies in Western countries. Women from north America or Europe may be eligible to numerous government support programs, welfare programs, and child support payments, when they have new-born babies. In Thailand this is not usually the case.
Don’t be fooled
It can often prove very difficult to outsmart a woman that is practiced in romance fraud, as they’ve heard and seen it all before. Positive pregnancy tests can be ordered online or obtained from pregnant friends. There are even reports of some ladies allegedly taking drugs which bloat out their stomachs and help to make their foreign boyfriends believe that they’re really pregnant.
By the time the man has found out his lady was lying, he will have spent more time with her and formed an emotional attachment to her which will be hard to break. We have often seen women that claim to be pregnant conveniently miscarry shortly before they're due for an ultrasound examination. Others can be more creative and string out their claims even longer.
How the lady decides to play the scam, and how her boyfriend will react, can be very different depending on the individuals involved. However, the outcome is rarely positive.
If a Thai woman that you barely know is suddenly claiming to be pregnant with your child, then maybe take those claims with a pinch of salt. Is she being serious? Could she be exaggerating the truth? These are questions which you should ask yourself.
We can help
If you think that you might be falling victim to a romance scam then there are things which we can do to help you... While it is usually not possible for us to determine whether or not someone is in fact pregnant, we can find out if they’re lying to you about other things before you make emotional or financial commitments to them. We could place the lady under surveillance, for example, which could seek to find out if your girlfriend is cheating on you while you’re out of the country; or try to see if she is continuing to consume alcohol while claiming to be pregnant.
We also offer a romantic background check service which can help to check and verify certain factors relating to your girlfriend.
Checking your Thai girlfriend in this way has the potential to help you avoid romance scams, and protect yourself from financial loss and heartbreak.
We are a leading detective agency working across Bangkok, Pattaya and Phuket. Get in touch with us if you think that you could use our help. We offer free quotes for all work and are glad to offer help and support to our clients.
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