How much money does a Thai girlfriend cost?

November 30, 2020 - Reading time: 6 minutes

How much does a Thai girlfriend cost? The answer to this question will depend on the type of lady that you are involved with. Financial support for a Thai girlfriend could range anywhere between 10,000 – 50,000 THB per month, and some men send considerably more money to their partners per month.

The amount of money that it costs to help your girlfriend will depend entirely on her circumstances and lifestyle. Many Thai women are university educated and have decent careers to support themselves and their families… If you are reading this article then we assume your girlfriend does not fit into this category.

Thai girlfriend

If you are sending money to a Thai lady that is working in a beer bar, a go-go, club, or a similar adult entertainment venue, then she is probably continuing to sleep with customers whether or not you are sending her money. We have seen cases which fall into this category hundreds of times and the results are (almost) always the same. Beware of this and don’t fall victim to the Thai girlfriend scam.

If your Thai girlfriend is accustomed to a high standard of living, then renting a decent property could cost over 10,000 – 50,000 THB per month by itself, in which case the total amount of money she asks from you will obviously be far higher.

When it comes to supporting a Thai girlfriend that is working a menial job, it’s worth nothing that a small amount of money can go a long way in Thailand. Rather than subsidise your girlfriend’s minimum wage salary, why not help her to attend university so that she is able to secure a more profitable career in the future? Compared with the costs involved for schooling in Western countries, foreigners often find that Thailand offers excellent bang for your buck. If your Thai girlfriend owns a small piece of land for example, then you might be able to construct a modest home for 1,000,000 THB or less. The costs involved for a Thai lady to open a small business, or buy farm livestock for example, are probably far less than in Western countries; many foreigners help to make their girlfriends become more self sufficient through carefully investing money into a business or education.

If you are making the commitment of sending your Thai girlfriend money every month then it’s important to make sure she is honest with you, that she is truly working where she claims to be, and that no other men are involved with her. Many foreigners unfortunately fall victim to the Thai girlfriend scam, which usually involves a lady recruiting multiple foreign boyfriends.

While most Thai women are honest people, when you are meeting ladies in places such as Pattaya, you are effectively dealing with a subset of the population who make a living through the tourism industry and forming relationships with foreign men. If you were putting money into a business, it would be wise to perform checks beforehand in order to make sure that you are making a sound investment. Whether investing money into a business or a person (in this case a Thai girlfriend), we feel it always makes sense to perform your own checks beforehand in order to avoid being ripped off.

Does your Thai girlfriend have children?

Many of the ladies that find themselves working in areas of the country such as Bangkok, Pattaya, Phuket, or Chiang Mai, have travelled to these places because they have a family to support, and often their family will include children from a previous relationship. Thai culture with regards to child support, and taking care of children after you are left a relationship, is often seen much differently than in Western countries. While some Thai men will send money to their ex-partner as child support, it is not uncommon for them to refuse and let the lady fend for herself. Supporting 3 people (2 parents and 1 child) on a minimum wage income would be very difficult or impossible.

Many women can find themselves resorting to work in beer bars or other establishments in order to support themselves. Without an education to apply for a well-paid job, or the capital necessary to start a business, they can find themselves in a financial rut that is often compounded by the burden of debt.

Is your Thai girlfriend in debt?

Personal debt is a big issue for many people living in Thailand, especially in the fallout of Covid-19. Statistically, if you have met a lady in Thailand then it is highly likely she has some form of debt, or is responsible for debt on behalf of her family. Discovering that your Thai girlfriend is in debt can be more difficult than you might think due to the Thai concept of saving face. A Thai lady is not likely to provide you with information that will put you off being in a relationship with her. Often foreigners only discover a lady’s true financial state after knowing her for several years.

Are you her only boyfriend?

Sending money to support a Thai girlfriend is all well and good, as long as you are not falling victim to the Thai girlfriend scam, and understand how the money is being spent. If you are falling victim to the Thai girlfriend scam, then you are effectively dealing with a professional fraudster, and catching a professional fraudster is usually very difficult or impossible, unless you seek professional help. Romance scammers make their living by telling lies and know exactly how to manipulate their foreign boyfriends into doing as they wish.

A good first step when entering into a serious relationship with a Thai lady would be to meet with her parents and learn more about their circumstances. Your girlfriend will be responsible for supporting her parents, and as her partner that responsibility also falls on yourself. Meeting with her parents also shows them that you are serious about the relationship.

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Giving money to your Thai girlfriend and her family

November 27, 2020 - Reading time: 10 minutes

Thai women and money are a sensitive topic for many foreigners and is a subject often misunderstood by people that have little experience with Thai culture or life in Thailand in general. We have written this article to try and offer guidance and clear up misconceptions about supporting a Thai girlfriend.

In traditional Thai culture, a husband is responsible for supporting his wife and her parents/children. The man’s own parents will be helped financially by his sisters, as females are traditionally responsible for looking after their parents in old age. This means that if you marry into a Thai family, you will generally be looked on to help out your wife’s family with money. 

It’s important to note that Thai men carry the exact same obligations when they are involved in a serious relationship with a Thai woman… This is not a case where Thai people are trying to take advantage of foreigners, it is simply how things are done in Thailand.

Thai woman

Getting to know your girlfriend’s family

Of course, if your Thai girlfriend’s family are comfortable financially then you might not be asked or expected to help out with their cost of living. However, if your Thai girlfriend comes from an impoverished family, then things may be different. Many foreigners involve themselves with ladies that are originally from a rural farming communities in northern Thailand where money is hard to come by. We think it’s important to get to know your girlfriend’s family… This would mean visiting them and staying in their home. You will be able to see for yourselves how they live from day to day and any revenue streams that they have (if any). Meeting them and understanding their way of life would be a good start; you could also use the opportunity to speak with your girlfriend’s parents and learn more about their expectations from you. While some Thai people might seek to take advantage of their daughter’s foreign boyfriend (there are many horror stories floating around on the internet!) most Thais are reasonable people and will not start to demand stacks of cash from their daughter’s boyfriend or husband.

How much money should I give my Thai girlfriend?

If your Thai girlfriend’s family are comfortable, and your girlfriend is university educated, then there might not be any need for you to give money to your girlfriend on a regular basis. Of course, many foreigners that are involved with Thai ladies do pay their girlfriends money every month as an allowance or to help out with their expenses.

If your Thai girlfriend works at a bar and you are sending her money then be aware, she is probably continuing to sleep with other men while you are not around. We have seen thousands of cases over the years and even compiled statistics relating to this. Similarly, if your girlfriend is working at an a go-go, nightclub, massage parlour, or any similar venue, then you might find yourself giving her money whilst not being the only other man in her life.

How much money you need to give your Thai girlfriend will depend entirely on her circumstances… Start by looking at her monthly salary, no deduct her rent, utilities and food from that. If she is giving money to her parents, then deduct a monthly allowance for them. If the lady has children that are living with her children then there will be costs associated with them (school uniform, food, transport to/from school). If the lady has debt, again, add a monthly allowance for this. If her parents are rice farmers, then there will be cost associated with that such as planting rice fields, harvesting the rice, and for pesticide/herbicide treatment to their farmland. We have spoken to foreigners that were giving their girlfriends anywhere between 10,000 – 100,000 THB per month. A common figure is usually in the 30,000 – 50,000 THB range, however, the answer to this question really depends on your girlfriend’s lifestyle and the amount of people she is supporting.

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Is my Thai girlfriend in debt?

Household debt in Thailand accounted for a massive 83.8% of the country's Nominal GDP in June 2020. If we are making our calculations based purely on the statistics, then it’s likely your Thai girlfriend’s family will have some form of debt. This could include vehicle finance (through hire purchase agreements or otherwise), mortgages, or cash loans which are set against land. With unfavourable (and sometimes eye watering) interest charged on personal loans, many Thais can find themselves in difficult predicaments, and may fall victim to having their assets repossessed.

If you ask your Thai girlfriend about any debt that she or her family are responsible for, you might not get an honest and upfront answer. The reason for this is due to the Thai concept of saving face, and the obvious fear that you will run away and leave her if she is honest about her finances. Thai ladies might come up with other excuses for needing to repay debts, such as a family member being unwell, for example.

While many foreigners joke about Thai ladies needing money for sick buffalos; the financial predicament of many women that are driven to work in adult entertainment venues such as beer bars, nightclubs, a go-gos, massage parlours, etcetera, can be a driving force behind their choice of work.

While this is difficult to demonstrate statistically, the likelihood that your Thai girlfriend might be underneath a mountain of debt is likely higher should she be working in an adult entertainment venue. Similarly, ladies that are working in adult entertainment venues might be more likely to have other financial problems, such as their family home being a wooden shack in a state of near collapse, or having to support many siblings/children with money as well as her parents. Don’t expect your Thai girlfriend to be honest with you about her personal debt until you have been in a relationship for some time (years) and she feels comfortable sharing the information with you.

Refusing to give money to your Thai girlfriend’s family

This is something we hear every now and again… A foreign man will travel to Thailand and start to fall in love with a Thai woman. As their relationship becomes more serious, the foreign man might try to apply Western principals over the relationship by saying “I will give you money, but I’m not going to help your parents”. We have also heard “I love my Thai girlfriend, but if she ever requests money from me then the relationship is over”.

Traditions in Thai culture have existed for hundreds of years. A foreign man dating a Thai woman is not going to change Thai culture, or the mindset of the lady’s family, by laying out ultimatums or demands. If you are involved with a Thai woman that comes from an impoverished background, you will be looked at to help her survive financially… If you don’t agree with that, or you don’t have enough money to support your partner, then our advice would be not date a Thai lady from an impoverished background, as your relationship is likely doomed to failure. Similarly, if you are involved in a relationship with a Thai bar girl, then it is highly likely she will continue to sleep with other men whether or not you give her money.

Helping your Thai girlfriend with money long term

When we think of sending people to Thai girlfriends and their family, the adage of giving a man a fishing rod becomes relevant. Many foreigners that find themselves involved with Thai women that are struggling financially will help the lady to attend university so that she is able to support herself long term with a well-paid career. Other Thai women might prefer to open a business with support from their foreign boyfriends, or even plant farms or purchase livestock with the ultimate goal to helping their girlfriends become more financially independent. Often in Thailand a (relatively) small amount of money can go a long way when it comes to things like schooling costs or costs associated with building properties.

Fake university students in Thailand

As a private investigation company based in Bangkok, we are seeing a growing number of fake university students in Thailand. These ladies will tell their boyfriends that they are attending a university when they in fact do not. Many men that read this article will think “That could never happen to me” … When it comes to the Thai girlfriend scam, we are talking about women that are professional scam artists. They are expert at telling lies to their foreign boyfriends, and some women are able to earn massive amounts of money by recruiting multiple farang boyfriends.

Over the years we have seen cases where ladies claim to be university students, where they have visited universities and taken many different photos of themselves. The ladies can make video calls while visiting public areas of a university or while visiting friends that attend. We have also seen cases of ladies that claim to work regular jobs in restaurants, cafes, offices or supermarkets, actually working in beer bars and sleeping with foreigners for money. Because the ladies would take photos of themselves wearing uniform from the shop (usually borrowed from a friend), the lie can be extremely difficult to detect. In many cases our clients would never have found out that they were being lied to had they not decided to start an investigation with us.

We can help to check whether your girlfriend is attending school and checking her workplace credentials. Our agents work all over Thailand, please get in touch with us for a free quote.

Protect your money and check your Thai girlfriend

Many of our clients tell us that they would perform checks before putting their money into a business deal… And investing money into a Thai girlfriend would be another venture where performing checks can be a good method to protect your money and ensure that you aren’t being lied to. We offer many different services that can be used to check Thai girlfriends, from our backgrounds check service, to personal surveillance or our decoy service in some cases. Please feel free to get in touch with one of our experienced team members for a free quote. We will need you to include all relevant details relating to your girlfriend so that we are able to consider your case and offer a quotation if we are able to help.

Paying a dowry or sin sod in Thailand

November 25, 2020 - Reading time: 8 minutes

If you are involved in a relationship with a Thai lady, then it’s only a matter of time before the topic of dowries comes up. A sin sod or dowry is typically paid to the parents of a Thai lady on her wedding day. The practice of paying a dowry to the parents of a bride was once prevalent in Western countries up until several hundred years ago. In Thailand however, paying a stack of cash to your bride’s parents is still very common and seen as a tradition that must be upheld by many Thais.

A dowry, or “sin sod” typically includes a pile of cash, usually accompanied by Thai gold jewellery. It is not uncommon for other things to be included in a dowry, such as the deeds to a property or a car. Dowries are usually displayed at the wedding for all guests to take a look at, and showing off the money is usually a big part of the wedding ceremony itself. If a dowry is very small or non-existent then the bride’s family may lose face in their community, which has been described as a fate worse than death for many Thai people.

Bride and groom holding hands

Do I have to pay a dowry?

There is a lot of information and advice posted on the internet regarding dowries and whether or not they should be required under certain circumstances. For example, many internet users claim that if a lady has previously been married or has children, then no dowry should be paid to her family. While this might be true for some families, I have personally attended several weddings between two Thai people, where the lady has children from a previous marriage, and at these weddings a dowry was displayed and handed to the bride’s family. It’s important to realize that there are no set rules when it comes to paying a dowry, and what is acceptable will vary in each case. Printing off information that you have read on an internet forum or website and confronting the parents of your fiancé with that is unlikely to go down well in most cases.

With that said, if the parents of your girlfriend are comfortable financially and not in need of money, they might be willing to forego the dowry payment altogether. If your girlfriend comes from a poor farming village in Isan then they are more likely to need the cash. Remember, there are no set rules for paying a dowry and whether or not you have to pay will be a matter between yourself, your bride, and her parents.

How much should I pay?

The average dowry payment in Thailand is typically anywhere between 300,000 – 500,000 THB cash, along with some gold and potentially other assets. If the lady comes from a ‘high-so’ family then it is not uncommon for huge dowries to be paid, which can be several million baht or even more.

Again, what is acceptable will depend on the parents in each case, and you should sit down with your girlfriend and her family to negotiate a figure that you both find agreeable. As a general rule of thumb, the younger a lady is, the more money her parents might ask. If she is university educated this could also push up their asking price… If her parents have financed her education themselves then they will typically look to recoup that money through a sin sod or dowry payment when the lady is married.

Can I get the money back if we divorce or split up?

No! Once paid a dowry cannot be refunded. The money is considered a gift and you will have no entitlement or claim whatsoever if you later split up or divorce your wife. Indeed, there are many stories of Thai ladies that have received a large payment on their wedding day, and then split up with their partner immediately afterwards. It would be wise to consider whether or not your partner is trustworthy before handing over a dowry, as recovering the money can be extremely difficult or impossible in most cases.

Do I need to marry my Thai girlfriend?

In Western countries it is not uncommon for couples to live with each other for years, or decades in some cases, without legally marrying each other or having a wedding ceremony. Many people in the West have children together without tying the knot, and this is seen as acceptable in many cultures. In Thailand however, many Thais still believe that a relationship is not official until the knot has been tied.

If you have children with your Thai girlfriend then your name will not feature on the birth certificate unless you are legally married at the time of your partner giving birth. This can create issues down the line with regard to foreign citizenship, child custody, and many other situations.

Legally marrying your Thai girlfriend can also make it easier for you to live in Thailand long term by means of a marriage visa, or if you are planning to bring your girlfriend to live with you in another country then documenting your relationship by means of marriage can help to bolster the claim that you are in a legitimate relationship… Although we must stress, marrying your girlfriend so that either of you can get a visa is probably not the best idea in the world.

Many Thai people have lavish wedding ceremonies and pay huge dowries to the bride’s family, but they do not follow this up by legally marrying each other. You might choose to take the same path, or skip the ceremonial part completely and go straight to the paper work. What works for you might not work for someone else and the best course of action should be decided between yourself and your partner.

How will the dowry be spent?

Remember old adage “Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day, give him a fishing rod and he will eat for life” can be applied when it comes to paying a dowry to the parents of your bride. After you have handed over the cash, it becomes their property and you have no right to dictate how that money is spent… So it would be wise to discuss plans before handing over the cash and try to ensure that it is spent wisely. If the money is being used as a down payment on a car or truck, then you need to question who will be making the monthly repayments on that vehicle.

If her parents are not able to keep up with the payments then the responsibility may fall to their daughter, and ultimately to yourself. If your girlfriend comes from a rural farming village, then the dowry could be used to purchase a tractor, or other equipment, which could allow her family to earn money and become more self-reliant. Perhaps they could use the capital to setup a shop or another business. Ultimately, it would be a wise decision to ensure that the money is being spent in a way that can continue to benefit the family, and that it is not wasted on material objects.

Before paying a dowry

If you are planning to hand over wads of non-refundable cash to marry your Thai girlfriend, then it would be wise to perform your own due diligence beforehand. We can help to check your Thai girlfriend by running a background check, by keeping an eye on her through surveillance, or through several other different means. If you were investing money into a business deal then it would be wise to perform your own checks beforehand to ensure that you are making a good decision… We think that the same should apply if you are intending to marry your Thai girlfriend and pay a sin sod or dowry to her parents. Ultimately the best path to check your girlfriend will depend on the circumstances in each case.

Please feel free to contact one of our experienced team members outlining your situation and we will do our best to offer the most effective solution in your case.

Girlfriend cheating in Pattaya

September 30, 2020 - Reading time: 5 minutes

Is your girlfriend cheating on you in Pattaya? As the world’s largest red-light district, the likelihood that your Thai girlfriend is cheating on you while living in Pattaya is thought to be significantly higher than other areas of Thailand, and most other areas of the world.

The Pattaya sign at sunset

Pattaya is known as a party town, with a wide range of different night life, including beer bars, girly bars, go-go bars (or strip clubs), gentleman’s clubs, massage parlours, discos, night clubs, and much more. Many of the tourists coming to Pattaya are arriving with the intention of meeting women, drinking alcohol and engaging with the sex industry. Other tourists arrive in Pattaya with the goal of finding a Thai girlfriend or wife…

Other tourists might start by drinking in bars and leave with a Thai girlfriend that later becomes their wife. Pattaya is a very unique place and although difficult for us to demonstrate statistically, we know from experience that infidelity occur often in the city. If you are living overseas while your Thai girlfriend continues to live in Pattaya then keeping an eye on her can prove extremely difficult. It is very easy to cheat on your partner and get away with it if they are living abroad.

Bar girls in Pattaya

Bar girls are women that work in beer bars and serve alcohol to customers. However, the role of bar girls in Thailand is much different than you might expect from staff in Western countries at your local bar or pub. Bar girls receive a small salary from their employer, and they are able to earn more money through customers purchasing drinks from them.

Each time a customer buys a bar girl a drink she will receive a small commission. Bar girls also earn money through tips and leaving the bar with customers. Each time that a customer takes a lady out of the bar, he will be required to pay a “bar fine”, which is a small payment made to the bar to compensate them for taking their member of staff. Usually bar girls receive a percentage of the bar fine, too. Inevitably, bar girls tend to form relationships with their customers… This comes with the territory of getting to know foreign men and being intimate with them.

Bar girl walking with a customer in Pattaya

When their “boyfriend’s” holiday is eventually over and he goes back to his home country, a bar girl will say “I not go with customer, I only work in bar”. However, this is virtually never the case. Bar girls do not earn enough money to support themselves without leaving the bar with customers. Sadly, most of the men that are involved with bar girls never realize that their girlfriend is continuing to sleep with customers while they are out of the country.

We have seen literally hundreds of these cases over the years… And still men continue to believe that their girlfriend is not leaving the bar with customers while working in Pattaya. Most of the bar girls that we investigate are found to be cheating on their partners; whether the lady works in a beer bar, a go-go bar, or a club. Bar girls can use tricks such as calling their boyfriend at the same time every night after finishing work. If the lady has already left the bar with a customer then it is easy for her to find the time to make a phone call to her “boyfriend”.

Bar girls might leave their customer inside their hotel room and then make a phone call to their “boyfriend” from a convenience store nearby, for example. Other times bar girls can make phone calls to their boyfriends from the balcony or toilet of their customer’s hotel room. This gives their boyfriends reassurance that the lady is not misbehaving while they are outside Thailand.

Often men that meet bar girls in Pattaya don’t mind if the lady calls her ‘’boyfriend’’ while she is sitting on the bed in another man’s hotel room. If your girlfriend is working at a bar in Pattaya then the only way to find the truth about her activities is through hiring a private investigator. We can help to check ladies in Pattaya and find out if they are truly being faithful while their partner lives abroad.

Cheating or freelancing?

Many women in Pattaya indulge in “freelancing”. Freelancing is simply the practice of meeting customers in nightlight venues, thus avoiding the need for them to pay a “bar fine”. There are many different venues in Pattaya that cater to freelancers, including beer bars, night clubs and discos. Many of the ladies that freelance in Pattaya hold down regular day jobs (for example, working in a bank, restaurant or a convenience store).

If your girlfriend is visiting nightlife venues on a regular basis then this will be a clear indication that she might be freelancing, however, a professional freelancer will never be truly honest about her activities to her foreign boyfriend. If she leaves the house every night without letting you know, you will probably never know - unless you become one of our clients.

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Private investigators in Hua Hin

September 28, 2020 - Reading time: 3 minutes

If you require a private investigator in Hua Hin then we can help. We have been working in the Hua Hin area of Thailand for over 20 years and are experienced in all form of private investigations, including infidelity (cheating partner) investigations, finding people in Hua Hin (missing people investigations), corporate due diligence, background checks, and more.

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Whatever your need to start an investigation, feel free to get in touch with us for a free quote. All contact with us is strictly private and confidential.

Local detectives in Hua Hin

Hua Hin is a popular coastal resort on the Gulf of Thailand. Once a quiet fishing village, Hua Hin now caters to tourists and expats alike with a wide range of adult entertainment venues, including beer bars, girly bars, a go-go bars, discos, massage parlours, night clubs, gentleman’s clubs and more. Much of our work involves such venues; we can help to investigate foreign men that are visiting Hua Hin, we can also investigate Thai ladies and bar girls as part of our infidelity investigation services.

Whereas other agencies may send surveillance teams to Hua Hin from Bangkok or elsewhere in Thailand, we believe that local experience and knowledge are key in our line of work, which is why we rely on local agents that have been based in Hua Hin for a number of years. We feel that this gives us a tactical advantage that can only help us during investigations and secure our clients the highest likelihoods of success.

Choosing to hire a private detective

For some people, choosing to hire a private detective can be a tough decision. We are on hand to answer any questions that you might have before, during and after the investigation and are able to provide you with real time updates through instant messaging apps such as WhatsApp. Clients that have engaged us and received evidence of their partner committing acts of infidelity, are typically very glad to have instructed us to start an investigation on their behalf. Images which show a husband or wife committing acts of infidelity can be used in subsequent divorce proceedings.

For other clients the results of an investigation will bring peace of mind that their partner is not committing acts of infidelity/adultery.

We are also able to investigate businesses in Hua Hin as part of our corporate intelligence and due diligence services.

Information we will need

The more information that we receive prior to a surveillance investigation starting the better. For our surveillance service we will need information such as: Photos of the subject (where available), a description of the subject, details about any vehicles used by the subject (where known), or their preferred mode of transport, their address, any address the subject is likely to visit, information about any distinctive features (tattoos, piercings, or dyed hair for example). Small details can help us to confirm the identity of a subject quickly and efficiently.

Start an investigation

We offer free quotes for all work. Please feel free to get in touch with one of our experienced team members and let us know that you require our services in Hua Hin, we will do our best to help and we provide free, no pressure quotations for all work.

Please rest assured that all contact with our agency is strictly private and confidential.